The Netherland's national railway company, NS, has announced that all of its electric passenger trains are now 100 percent powered by wind energy. Its own wind farms, built in the Netherlands, Belgium, Finland, and Sweden, aim to generate enough energy to fulfill NS's demand of about 1.4 terawatt-hours for 2017 (enough to power a million . Whats the trick? Thank you for explaining it to everyone else. At near the speed of light, is there such a thing as national or regional energy mix, other than in our habit forming minds? More than 12% of the Netherland's electricity is generated from renewable sources, mainly biomass and waste (5% of the total) and wind (7% of the total). Apart from the first rather obvious problems, anyone with the most basic understanding of electrical enrgy, as taught before 16 at school, would immediately know this was a wholly untrue technical assertion., Thats the whole point, Brian There are hardly any people with a basic understanding of electrical energy If most would have an understanding, there would be no renewables at all The whole charade would not even have started in the first place , Just as Otter says above, on different forums, lots of people are claiming Im 100% renewable (because I have a 100% RE contract with Essent, or Lampiris, or Belpower, or ENI, or ), Neither humour (so you got all the wind power this morning, because there was none left for me !, nor hard facts (for the 8-day period 27/12 03/01, that I just took a look at for another discussion, Wind and Solar provided a grand total of 4.6% of all electricity used in Belgium Was that enough for all of them 100% RE contracts ? Built 1992 this nearshore wind farm had just 4 Nedwind 500 KW turbines based 1km to shore. Thats true, of course. According to Thomas Homer-Dixon, wind turbines never recoup the energy it takes to build them. [1], The Dutch government has expressed the aspiration to build 4.450 MW of offshore wind power by 2023[5] which will have a considerable impact on the Dutch electricity grid, operated by TenneT. The Netherlands currently has a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country, according to DutchNews.nl. Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. The Dutch railway folks have PPAs to buy energy only from renewable energy producers, and thus claim, our passenger trains run on renewable energy, but fail to add on a contract basis. Apparently Eneco can make the wind blow to order.). In total, NS consumes around 1.2 TWh of electricity to power its trains. Blunt, Elizabeth. What the Netherlands gets when it imports it is the energy mix on the German grid. And given that the company carries 600,000 people per day, the amount of electricity they need isnt trivial around 1.2 billion kWh of electricity a year. Where I post my arguments on various things climate-related, belief that a 100% renewable-powered train can and does exist is ubiquitous. The national railway company, NS, said that its renewables target had been met a year earlier than planned. I would take it, then, that you are not among the poor and elderly who DO give a fig about money? from northern Maine to southern Florida, about 1800 miles in 0.01 second. During these periods wind generation in the neighboring Netherlands would also have fallen to low levels. On insulated wires, the speed, on average, is about 2/3 the speed of light. London Undergrounds system provides 600V of direct current to their conductor rails, still enough to be potentially lethal. If you want to be generous to NS, you can say that the BritNed interconnector is definitely being fed by the coal fired Maasvlakte power stations when it is delivering 1GW to the UK, because theyre right next door to the HVDC converters. Harried Dutch commuters may not be entirely cognisant of the fact . As Brightvibes noted, a decreasing and relatively small number of Dutch trains are still running on diesel. If there was a utility providing KiteGen power I would sign up with them. ALL traction power for the Dutch railway network will come from wind turbines under a new energy contract signed on May 15 between power company Eneco and Vivens, an energy procurement joint venture which includes Netherlands Railways (NS), Veolia, Arriva, Connexxion and railfreight operators. However, the government wants 40% of the total electricity used in 2030 in the Netherlands to be supplied by wind. 01-13-17 Dutch Railways' Electric Trains Now Run On 100% Wind Energy Now 1.2 million people per day can commute without raising their carbon footprint. All renewable energy gets paid the FIT out of the so-called SDE budget. So pick your choice In 2016, Dutch wind hit the headlines again, when a 700 MW offshore windfarm near the town of Borssele became the most cost-effective in the world. First some details on the Netherlands electricity sector. Per Physics 101, once electricity is fed into the grid it travels, as electromagnetic waves, at near the speed of light on un-insulated wires, i.e. So, 1) I didnt write the text, 2) the text itself is selectively quoted, and 3) the argument it makes, taken in isolation, is meaningless. 1995 - 2023 by Snopes Media Group Inc. In addition, the use of conductor rails sets a speed limit on trains of about 160kph (100mph) above this, the metal contact blocks (called pickup shoes) can lose contact with the rail and result in a drop in power. How it then gets used depends on the city were in. The company said all electric trains were now powered by wind energy. A book co-edited by Thomas Homer-Dixon contained a passage stating that windmills "might never generate as much energy as was invested in building [them]." Heres a fantasy as to how Nederlandse Spoorwegen could make their claims of only using wind power a reality. PV in Germany, and Energiewende in general, will go down in history as a useless waste of money, a financial disaster which will be used for decades to come as a bad example of ideology-driven energy policy. It sharply cut subsidies down to 1.5 billion, leaving private sector to carry over wind turbine investments should these be beneficial.[6]. It probably has a lower calorific value, a greater CO2 content (up to 30%/40% from some sources), and your local regs may insist it be odourised. But of course even two-thirds of the NS system doesnt run completely on wind power. But you can arrange for a proxy burn of biogas in another state, say Colorado, and buy the rights to say you consumed it. But none of this wind power is directly connected to the NS rail system. The fun would be that trains would soon be blocking the lines as power production fell. (CONTINUED), London Underground trains use two conductor rails to manage their electricity needs (Image courtesy [+] of BEN STANSALL/AFP/Getty Images), In all cases, this regenerated electricity can be returned to the power line via the conductor rail. NS uses as much electricity as all Amsterdam residents combined, and its trains represent over 90 percent of commercial train travel in the country. 600,000 passengers daily are "the first in the world" to travel thanks to wind energy. Its 50Hz in the Netherlands and most of the planet apart from (mainly) the US, Canada and half of Latin America. In fact, he allowed that a windmill situated at a good location could pay back the energy costs of creating it in under three years, but that aspect was omitted from the memed version of his quote: The concept of net energy must be applied to renewable sources of energy, such as windmills and photovoltaics. The Harried Dutch commuters who are travelling on one of the most environmentally friendly rail networks in the whole of Europe, if not the world are being sold a bill of goods. The farm was dismantled after 22 years service in 2016. Every electric train on the Dutch railways NS network now gets 100 per cent of its energy from wind energy. Instead of trains recovering energy for their own use, any excess power is directed to a centralized bank of lithium-ion batteries. Three strikes. That is why half of the demand will be sourced from a number of new wind farms in Belgium and Scandinavia, which have been specifically assigned for this contract., http://www.railway-technology.com/features/featuremichel-kerkhof-of-eneco-discusses-the-dutch-rail-networks-renewable-revolution-4647194/. Half of that total is expected to come from foreign sources in Scandinavia and elsewhere, with the rest generated in the Netherlands. The Netherlands is also well prepared for a significant rise in the production of intermittent power from wind energy by good linkages to its neighbours via high voltage cables enabling power to be imported or exported as required. However, early successes in rolling out the clean energy program . Headlines like this make people feel good. However, wind power consumption in the Netherlands in 2015 was 12.5TWh, indicating that about 5TWh of wind power was imported during the year. Do the claims about Netherlands trains also require further explanation? New wind farm deployment is based on the SER agreement that describes a plan for five years of tendering 700 MW per year. Such as happened earlier this year in the UK when we had several days of around only 300MW of total metered wind power. OK, these days its less than the bandwidth to your mobile, but mumble years ago it was the real deal. The Netherlands currently has a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country, according to DutchNews.nl. However, it seems officials have been able to beat that goal by an entire year. Why cant, errr sorry, why Dont you? The rest is supplied by wind and solar power, which contribute about a fifth of the citys power. That's something. RE fans should understand that present mainstream RE technologies ( mostly PV and wind) require considerable real estate and in our small island one cannot travel very far without having a wind farm in view. Physically it makes no difference as you say, but as HeavyWeather pointed out above my money is now going to fund reactors not Energiewende, so Im happy. Putting these numbers together indicates that only 10-15% of the electricity consumed annually by NSs electric trains will come from wind, with the rest a mixture that includes mostly Dutch gas and coal plus a small amount of Belgian and German coal, nuclear and lignite and maybe even a little German solar, Andrews explains. The US city of Philadelphia has taken regenerative braking to a new level though. But there is no guarantee that the unfilled demand will be met by renewables, and in any event the 1.2-1.4TWh/year consumed by NS represents barely more than 1% of the Netherlands annual electricity consumption and a totally negligible fraction of European consumption. Wind power from Finland can be discounted. These systems are found on underground trains in Los Angeles, Auckland and Buenos Aires, among others. Initially, trains in the Netherlands were set to run entirely on renewable energy by 2018. There are ~40 utilities with sharp price competition in NL. That is, a windmill could spin until it falls apart and never generate as much energy as was invested in building it. It is 100% powered by electric. Plus, it turns out that about half the electricity NS uses to power its rail system comes from outside of the Netherlands. The energy comes from new wind farms in the Netherlands and surrounding countries - and it's a lot. Produced at least 8 models with power outputs of 100, 250, 500, 1000kW. For example, in 2015, Burlington, Vermont, became the first city to announce it was running totally on renewable power. This is a BETA experience. The claim by the Dutch railway network, Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS), is almost entirely a sleight of hand. I do not know why this is, maybe a different ethane ratio? Passing through the gates without traveling, Forgetting to check in or out and requesting refunds, Sustainable accessibility of the Netherlands, More information about NS buses that run on HVO. 15ct/kWh, 100%hydro, no nuclear or gray labeled power bought for pumping. remarkably consists of wind turbines with just 2 blades, manufactured by Nedwind, the 18 turbines have a combined nominal power of 18 MW.[30]. Nevermind the entirety of it. There are several Dutch turbine manufacturers that continue to manufacture both large and small installations for domestic and international clients. When you dont know reality and cant speak German you have to believe what you find on the English writing interwebs . Putting these numbers together indicates that only 10-15% of the electricity consumed annually by NSs electric trains will come from wind, with the rest a mixture that includes mostly Dutch gas and coal plus a small amount of Belgian and German coal, nuclear and lignite and maybe even a little German solar. NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction, writes author Roger Andrews. (my emphasis). They have been working with Eneco, a sustainable energy supplier operating in the Netherlands, for several years. The 129 MW Eneco Luchterduinen wind farm is located 23km off the coast between Zandvoort and Noordwijk cities in the Netherlands. 14 October 2009. French people are bricoleurs they like to build their own house, thanks to the fact that if it has a surface below 175 m2 you dont need to go through an architect, you can do your own building plan. [18], In the first week of December 2016, all 150 turbines of the new 600 MW Gemini offshore windfarm began producing power, and the project is expected to be fully commissioned by mid 2017. It becomes inextricably mixed with all the electromagnetic waves of the other. The actual amount of green energy produced is unaffected.. Not relevant here. Because Eneco, which contracts to supply NS with wind power, gets a Guarantee of Origin from the exporter under which the exporter confirms that the power came from wind and assigns the rights to it to NS. Overall, the Netherlands has over 2,000 wind turbines spread across the country. NS and Eneco first announced their plan of a wind-powered railway in 2015 in order to drastically slash train ride emissions. In 2020 wind power provided 11.54% of the Dutch electricity generation (see table above) while solar power provided an additional 7.25% for a combined 18.79% - easily meeting the target without taking other renewable sources into account, even though the target for onshore wind capacity was not met. By tapping into both domestic and foreign sources of wind power, it [ensures] that there is always sufficient green power available on the grid for rail companies, even if the wind is not blowing, the company explained. This question generated a number of comments in the last Blowout so I thought I would take a quick look at it. The turbines supply enough energy to power 2.4 million households. Heating with electricity is their homemade problem that escalates bills for the poor with no alternative. The comment about T1s was meant to be a wry tomayto vs tomarto thing which probably didnt work as an explanation of why I get pedantic. EDF was 13.44p but I keep reading comments about how RE fans should take electricity only from PV and wind turbines, so I decided I should do the same. [15], In February 2022 the Netherlands announced it increased its offshore wind target to 21 GW by 2030. The best of EcoWatch, right in your inbox. "So we in fact reached our goal a year earlier than planned," spokesman Ton Boon told AFP. Apart from the first rather obvious problems, anyone with the most basic understanding of electrical enrgy, as taught before 16 at school, would immediately know this was a wholly untrue technical assertion. What happens where there is insufficient wind for the required duration to powerup the batteries? Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. It`s a scam. Its of course a waste to install a separate grid with only 100% renewable electricity. Just whatever serves your agenda. A two-megawatt windmill contains 260 tonnes of steel requiring 170 tonnes of coking coal and 300 tonnes of iron ore, all mined, transported and produced by hydrocarbons. The only way we could get close would be to take this measure of the citys population (813, 562) and this value for electricity consumption per person (1800 kWh). Hughes didn't make that statement of all windmills, and he allowed that some could recoup their construction costs in three years or less. The other thing most people (at least in the US) dont consider when they see stories like this: A country like the Netherlands is literally 1/3 the size of the state of Ohio. But a recent piece of news about electricity caught my attention. Supply from all generators is monitored in any case, all youd have to do is add up the I believe in low carbon power, just that I also believe in security of supply, and with wind, or solar or tidal, you cant get it. There are very little poor people in Germany. "Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy," said NS spokesman, Ton . Snopes did not find evidence that Germany was experiencing a "total collapse" in wind and solar energy. I am surrounded by almost 3000 MWs of hydro power in my county alone, but because of these guarantees of origin my supposed consumption is very dirty, consisting mostly of a central European mix of coal, natural gas, nuclear with some renewables added. Were starting to see this ploy more often in recent years. What Was It Like When The Universe First Created More Matter Than Antimatter? Illustration Were these conditions to repeat themselves now, and if NSs trains were powered exclusively by wind, they would almost certainly come to a halt. An all-electric heating is much easier to implement, few properly dimensioned wires and cheap heaters, while a gas heater needs specific know-how and is much more capital-intensive. "Carbon Shift: How Peak Oil and the Climate Crisis Will Change Canada (and Our Lives) Paperback." The fund is paid for by adding a surcharge to household electricity bills. Dutch electricity company Eneco won a tender offered by NS two years ago and the two companies signed a 10-year deal setting January 2018 as the date by which all NS trains should run on wind energy. [3], In March 2022, the Dutch government announced that by 2030 offshore wind was to become the Netherlands' biggest power source, aiming at 21 GW of installed capacity.[4]. . As of the 1st of January, 2017, electric Dutch trains are now completely powered by wind energy, according to NS, the national railway company. Good for saving valuable hydrocarbons for something more useful than burning them, and they really can supply all my electricity 24/7 that way. However, this quotation, which comes from an essay written by earth scientist David Hughes, was cherry-picked and presented out of context to create a deliberately misleading version of what the author actually said. Only a small fraction of the power delivered to its trains actually comes from wind.. wind power in the Netherlands generates 7.4 billion kWh (7.4TWh) of electricity annually, and according to BP the Netherlands total electricity generation in 2015 was 109.6TWh. Of course, weve seen headlines of this type before. [2] The Dutch are trying to meet the EU-set target of producing 14% of total energy use from renewable sources by 2020, and 16% by 2023. France has an even bigger problem with energy poverty even though her supposedly cheaper power. simply use the smart technology to cut them off until their consumption matches the wind farms output. You are not really concerned about the energy bills of the poor. Ah, so they're contracted for wind energy offset, not 100% wind energy powered. Windmills have historically played a major part in the Netherlands by providing an alternative to water driven mills. Random House Canada. However the electricity is delivered to the train, once its there, it is used to power lights, and air-conditioning, as well as the traction motors, which are what turn the trains wheels. https://ecommons.cornell.edu/bitstream/handle/1813/5329/Bothi_BEEThesis.pdf;sequence=1, When wind power is fed into a grid it becomes inextricably mixed with all the vibrating electrons from other generation sources to the point where there is no way of knowing where any power taken from the grid came from.. Only 18,9 Twh were bought in Norway, the rest sold abroad. So while wind contributes about 7% to the Netherlands electricity generation it contributes about 11% to the countrys electricity consumption. But it really doesnt matter which countries the Finnish wind power passes through on its way to the Netherlands. An extra live rail that has direct current flowing through it at all times. Especially since there are no green electrons. heavyweather~ Im sure you can link us to sites which prove your point. The electrons essentially vibrate in place at 60 Hz. [10] [11] [12], 2015 It doesnt add up, I would say about Euro 47 million is big money especially when you consider it`s for nothing.. Because theyre just one part of a wider grid, most train operators use electricity from a mix of different sources coal-fired generators, nuclear plants, hydropower or, in the case of Nederlandse Spoorwegen, exclusively from wind turbines. This has already led to a savings of 1.43 billions kilograms of C02 emissions. You still technically get your power from the electric company, but you pay little to nothing for it because you are supplying them electricity. The evidence speaks for itself. When challenged on its claim, NS clarified that only the electrified portion of its system runs completely on wind power. Credit: Wikimedia Commons, Ad Meskens. The wind farm's 86 wind turbines will produce 1.4 billion kWh of electricity, enough. Once stored, this electricity can be sold to the main power grid, helping the city to top up peak demand, and earning the train company money in the process. (End of excerpt). Since 2019, the buses have been powered by HVO (Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil) made from processed deep fryer oil and industrial fats. Roger, Plus, it turns out that about half the electricity NS uses to power its rail system comes from outside of the Netherlands. It is just another way for RE politicians to bamboozle the lay public and keep the green mythology alive. This type of fuel is considered to be climate-neutral, as it does not cause CO2 emissions. NO. (Although Eneco, NSs wind power procurer, claims that its wind farm portfolio guarantees sufficient capacity to cover such eventualities . NS operates about 5,500 train trips a day. Many of these smaller companies were eventually acquired by the larger wind turbine manufactures such as Vestas, Siemens and Lagerwey. Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. The turbines supply enough energy to power 2.4 million households. According to DutchNews.nl, there's currently a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country. It goes back to the start of 2016, and includes the Netherlands as well as Belgium and the Nordic countries (and Germany) that NS claim to be supplied by. Ah, so the train really runs on smoke & mirrors. Was dismantled after 22 years service in dutch trains wind power snopes about 11 % to the Netherlands and most the! 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