Use the cart alot in the summer it seems to move alot. It is fairly rough ground and has two moderately steep areas. If the grass has too much water in it they actually shred the grass not cut it and leave little grass balls all over your lawn. If you replace the bracket replace the spring at the same time. Toro made a bad looking mower for this special edition release! Here is the Country Clipper website to locate a dealer in New Zealand: Country Clipper. In my opinion, it will be faster than a DR leaf vac plus you dont have to mess with that extra engine A lot of deck designs have a harmonic vibration at certain speeds. I plan on being here long term and dont have any equipment as of now. Edge, I like the Kohler. Hi David, Both mulch well with the optional bolt-in mulching kits. Stay away from the $3000 TRs with 54-inch decks the ZT2500 transmissions will also fail. Thanks for all you do to help your readers. The difference between 10 ga (9/64 inch) and 11 ga (1/8 inch)is less than the thickness of a sheet of paper. Never use one on a slope greater than 10 degrees. Both Gravely and Toro will be around for parts and service for years to come. Use this dealer locator page to find a dealer in your area (Country Clipper dealers). You would have to go up to the Bad Boy ZT Elite to get the same heavy-duty machine as the Ariens/Gravely. Instead, they shred the grass into little cotton balls That leave a mess on your lawn. Features: Cut Width: 52,61, 72 Engine: Vanguard, Kohler Command Pro or Kawasaki FX Drive System: 16cc Hydro-Gear pumps and Parker wheel motors Fuel Capacity: 12 Gallons Suspension: Suspension seat Thank you for your input! But then again, I might like the lighter Deere better for my lawn. With the Toro in smart speed you can pull 450 lbs whenever you want but all the other residential ZTRs you are limited to 260 lbs. It has the upgraded Toro IronForged fabricated deck. 3. I live in south Alabama and have some pretty tough grass/weeds. What is your preference between the Kohler 7000 and the Kawasaki FR engines? Yes, the engine is made for Toro by Loncin. . The owners really like how it mulches with the Toro mulch kit installed. The rep who comes out will go over the mower with you, show you how to drive it, and let you use it on your yard to see if it is a good fit., Hi Paul, The layout of the yard leaves me with multiple pie-wedge corners when I mow around the outside of each section. Trust me all the compacts will slide into the ditch and most likely turn over. Thanks again for the information! I mow just under 2 acres of mostly flat to gently sloping grass. Buy Toro 60 in. Your Walker dealer will be glad to come out and demo it with you. (More money) Thats good to know. Many repair shops carry a cheaper belt, although the same size, that is not designed for use on heat-generating engines. It is still a very popular mower with farmers who have long ditches and large areas to mow. reviews and youtube clips indicate this thing can mow fast and stripe. I sat on the Cub and found my right knee may hit the lap-bar when using the deck-lift peddle even though the bars adjust. It has Toros great V-twin engine. If you have a very thick lawn you may wish you went with a V-Twin engine. So I scrapped it, and hired someone to do the mowing. Id also like the ability to pull a dethatcher. Pages - Toro Product Details Gift Ideas Fall Clean Up Snow Blowers Zero Turn Mowers Lawn Mowers 60V Flex-Force Tools Trimmers Blowers/Vacs PUC Hour Meter Debris Management Garden Equipment Chainsaws DIY Irrigation Other Toro Items Bundles & Kits This product cannot be found. I personally have this deck and I like it a lot. and 2. Id like to stay cost conscious but I am willing to pay more for an exquisite end result. The Z335 48 is the only ZTR I know of with 13 front / 20 rear tires under $3000, so it has me smitten. It seems to me Id get a stamped deck, better engine and some comfort things like arm rests if I do upgrade to the 50/52 in either model so the $400 may be very much worth it. Although, I really didnt want to spend that much. There is a ditch at 1 end and a hill/easement at the other. 1. Im looking at the Ariens IKON XD 52 vs John Deer z375r. Thank you for your time! 2. $1.64 USD Add to Cart With 10 acres and horse pasture, go with the Apex. That said. Hi Tawanda, A good 42-inch zero-turn is a good size for your yard. 2022 The Best Residential Zero Turn Mowers, 2022 The Thirteen Best 42-46 Inch Zero Turn Mowers, 2022 The Sixteen Best 48-52 Inch Zero Turn Mowers, 2021 The Sixteen Best 54-72 Inch Residential Zero Turn Mowers. Hi Paul, have you looked at the new Scag residential zero turn yet? Bad Boy zero turn towing capacity. Ill list them in my opinion the best choices. Have someone engage the deck and watch the belt, idler bracket, spring, and each pulley. Based on your post and previous comments I know this is going to be 1 of the 2 choices so go ahead and scroll up and pick 1 of the 3 others lol. Calculator tells me (for my peace of mind) that I ought to be looking in the 50-60 range if I dont want to spend much more than a few hours doing my lawn every other weekend. Thanks for the feedback! There are two companies that make good flip-up deck mowers. Do you need it for mowing 2.5-3 acres of lawn every week? Just increase the engine rpm to mowing speed and the vibration disappears. The 50-inch decks are two of the best cutting decks on the market right now. This is the only reason I havent bought one yet. Both are listed at the same price. My wife has demanded I either take down some trees, buy some equipment that can handle the job, or hire it out. Most ZTRs dont have enough traction to go up that hill. Appreciate it. Seems like you get a overall better mower on the Cub than the Toro with the better transmission and extra features like the foot height adjustment, hour meter, headlights, etc. They offer free set up and home delivery. Finally, check out my youtube channel. Just so you know this is the last year for the M-ZT line. By far, the most important factor for me is the cut. They are a little higher priced than what you have listed in this article for Residential ZTs but I have heard good things about them. heavier deck, and stronger transmissions. They dont have many dealers but if you order from them they will always take care of you if you ever have a problem with their products. (see it here at the Home Depot) It will have the weight to give you great traction along the drainage ditch. Anyways wanted to ask your thoughts before purchasing as you seem to be incredibly knowledgeable in this area, MyRide worth the extra money or are there other mowers out there that are a better deal in your opinion? Paul, I did make all my turns on a flat section at the bottom of the hill, and never got a chance to try making a turn on one of the sloped sections that ends at the tree line. That stuff is not covered by Costcos guarantee. I recommend the comfort seat and trailer hitch options. From poor structural design to poor deck hangers that break and the fact that they have changed the mower from having 10 rear tires to 8 rear tires causes the mower to slide more easily, even on dry ground. My local Husqvarna/Stihl/Toro dealer went with the Stihl because they have the best dealer support. With the 48 inch deck, you can trim around a fence post and never slow down. Thanks for taking the time to answer. Go over your machine and make sure they assembled it correctly. Im obviously wanting good cut quality and longevity out of the machine. Thank you for being frank. 7. In addition, some companies want their own exclusive brand so they dont have to price match another retailer. Scag is still using horizontal shaft engines pointed backwards so they do equip that model with a driveshaft from the rear of the mower to the deck. I read everything you wrote about ZTRs, heck I even created a spreadsheet that shows, brand, model, engine, HP, transmission, deck type, deck size, and price. If its not cutting well the most likely cause is the deck is not level. I would like to get something better preferably a zero turn to handle the flower beds but I am open to any suggestion you might have. Earl, Depends on the slope. The fastidiously engineered Ultima delivers uncompromised performance and a hydrostatic transmission that maneuvers the mower effortlessly for smooth cutting dependability. The wire comes out the middle of the underside of the seat. Thanks again. Possible candidates would be a Toro TimeCutter HD or Titan, a Cub Cadet ZT2, or possibly a John Deere or some sort. Thank you!! Jeff. I suggest the same for zero-turns. 7. Because that alone could be the difference maker for me. Cutting Deck Because it has a Smart Speed control that lets you pull carts without damaging your transmissions. Do you recommend replacing blades annually? Setting: I also use the mulcher in the fall for leaves. Hi Joe, that would be the Ariens IKON XD 52. None of those manufacturers will extend your ZTRs warranty in case your mower breaks using their leaf vac. Now thats different from what a ZTR can pull. The Kubota Z700 series (Z723KH-48 / Z724KH-54 / Z725KH-60 / Z724XKW-48 / Z724XKW-54 / Z726XKW-60) mowers have a top speed of 11.2 MPH for maximum productivity when you need to get the job done fast. My problem is that most dealers are out of stock right now, so I need to make a choice without actually testing one myself. It has accessories for power deck lift and a mower jack for easy blade changes. Was looking at Toro with myRide setup.. Hi Dave, the only choice is the MyRide. So yes they are going to have a demo day in April and will take a look. Hi Tommy, I like both the Toro and the Ariens/Gravely a lot. My question is are the Ferris mowers worth it compared to some of these on your list? Would this be enough to see a difference? 3. Its just about commercial grade and only about $800 more. My local Exmark dealer has hundreds of them out mowing lawns every day and the owners love the engine. With the perfect lawn mower size, this is a wonderful product with robust structure and good maneuverability. No one else has this type of control because Country Clipper has the patent but its by far the best zero-turn steering on the market. So I am looking at potentially free delivery of the machine to my home. I also expect that following the bed lines in the front part of the lawn will be more difficult with a garden tractor. If you have ever pulled a boat or camper the specs always include total gross weight and the tongue weight. I have videos up of the Ariens Edge and will have videos up of the IKON XD soon. However, in a different post you stated you werent a fan of the John Deere 300 series so wasnt sure about this lawn mower. The Toro MX5075 will give you the best ride and a great cut. First of all, great article. The Toro commercial engine also has a great reputation. Great website and resource. Hustler Raptor XD (cheapest with serv. In the questions and answers, Toro says that they recommend 85 lb pulling. I favored the Kohler, but I dont care for the black and yellow or the dune buggy look. All three 24 HP models are comparatively expensive, starting from $6,699 to $6,949. Exmark, Hustler, John Deere and Toro all make standon ZTRs. Check it out here: https://homedepot.sjv.io/4V5DL (my 13 yr old shares the mowing with me, hes getting better but still does some bumping with the deck). Ive been looking at the Ariens Ikon XD 42 which seems well reviewed. My craftsman mower that recently died on me did a far superior job with the mulching. Kawasaki slowly increased the price but because of the brand acceptance the owners kept buying them. Hi Ryan, I actually recommend the John Deere Z355R. I currently cut with a CC 54 lawn tractor. Mow heights 3.8cm to 11.4cm. It has a built-in oil filtration system and a changeable air filter to keep the dust, debris, and other pollutants away from oil and engine. Hi Thomas, The Big Dog Alpha is a Hustler Raptor painted red. Probably not but if your property is rough, has slopes greater than 10 degrees, you want to get done as quickly as possible or you have teenagers who are learning to use a zero-turn then it is worth moving up to the XT2. Bad Boy ZT Avenger Zero Turn Mower. Hi Tommy, The 2200 is not as weak as everyone wants you to believe. I bought an MTD from HD 14 years ago and I mow about 1 1/2 acre. The dealer I prefer carries both Toro and Ariens, so that is not a factor. Paul Sikkema has been writing about snow blowers, riding mowers, and other lawn and garden equipment for over 10 years. I prefer the Walker. The man who mows for me would like for the mowing to take less time and the mower to require less repair. If you dont have the experience get a 36-44 inch walk-behind and use that until you get the experience. I am looking between the Ariens Ikon X 52 and the Toro MX5000. Cant go 50 because of my gate. Go visit them and see which dealers you like. By the way, Home Depot is not going to carry Ariens mowers. The new Toro Titan and the Cub Cadet XT2 will give you a much longer life. (Home Depot Link) this mower mows well and will handle the ditch. R.O.P.S. I only mulch, and as often the case in the NW , the grass here is damp. Zero-Turn Mower $3499 The 52 and larger sizes cut as well as any other brand. Sure would appreciate any input (Brain muscle tired).. Hi Mark, Its very easy to get analysis paralysis when there are about 40 mowers that really could do the job well for you. Am I right Im thinking that the Toro MX5000 has the Hydro Gear 2800 and the Ariens Ikon X has the smaller Hydro Gear 2200? Youve done an excellent job of researching and then going through all the features that you like and dislike. That said, for 2 acres the Toro TimeCutter MX5075 with MyRIDE Suspension is a good choice. 1. Have a small hill in front of the house and the sis who back is all a slope. I have two questions. Extremely noticeable and an advantage if you have any back problems.. I simply have lost all confidence in residential quality mowers after my previous experience. (About $2999) If you husband is over 200 lbs I recommend the IKON. If you want the Cub Cadet I suggest looking seriously at the ZT2. This includes the Vanguard and is only $200 more than the lowest price online for the base 48 ($3999). These are one of the best engines in the industry and Ive seen them go over 2500 hours before they needed to be rebuilt. I hope you find a good dealer to work with and enjoy the mower you decide on. The grasshopper has a hydraulic deck lift and a few others have electric. Its a nice heavy ZTR and with the smaller deck, it should have plenty of traction for the ditch. I then considered a Hustler Raptor SDX (cost too high) and the MZ54 Husqvarna (user reviews pretty negative). Mow the lawn with the deck raised up a notch or two higher and you should get more life. A bagger is big, semi-permanent and expensive. I couldnt be happier and you gave me some good advice last year, so thanks for that. Hi Adam, The Patriot is going to give you a suspension seat and a commercial-grade engine. With occasionally pulling a small cart of wood/ mulch, should I go with the 2800 transaxle over the 2200 transaxle? 3-year residential parts and labor warranty. The Ariens company also makes the Gravely ZT XL. 25 cu. For fall cleanup, Ill either bag or mulch and sweep. Im looking at the edge and ikon models. Great Brand recognition = quality. I also have a tow behind cart I use for hauling dirt, rock and mulch. If I got a tractor, how beefy of a model would I need to get? Im going to be down in the Bradley, Il area the middle of June. Yes, the operators manual says you can go on a slope up to 15 degrees but as you found out even 15 degrees can be dangerous with the tall/narrow ZTRs. What would you recommend? Its a good mower for your 3 acres and will last a long time. I mow our residential, flat, 1 acre yard with ~10 trees and fence in Pittsburgh, PA. Home Depot has both the MX5075 and MX6050 available in CA compliant models. Gravely ZT XL 52 with Kawasaki engine $4399 It is easy to understand and I can see youve done your homework. That Craftsman Pro is made by MTD. Ariens, Toro, Cub Cadet, and Walker have all made major improvements in their ZTR lines. The Ultima deck is a good deck but residential mowers, in general, dont like to mulch when cutting the grass at 2 3/4 inches or less. 4. It has a heavier deck, heavier transmissions, and heavier frame. In fact, I strongly suggest you NEVER get near a ditch with a sit-down ZTR. They are priced well especially compared to the Kubota and Hustler SD. How does the Ikon xd 52 stripe. Thanks, Mark. The easiest way to explain the cost difference is: If the Cub Cadet Ultima lasts 5 years without any major issues mowing 10 acres the Toro will go 7 years and the Ariens 10 years. The dealer will be glad to sharpen and balance them while its in for the tune-up. Any thoughts on that machine? Other fuels stabilizers to check out: Fuel Stabilizers. The Bad Boy MZ Magnum zero-turn mower runs on a 725cc Kohler Pro 7000 HD series engine for a powerful mowing operation. Is it okay to buy from BB stores if you take good care of the machine? Or Bagger for 42 inch Stamped Deck. Have your readers commented on it one way or the other? Warren, RI, Hi Mike, I knew you would like it! Even though the John Deere cuts very well I just have a problem with the price. In the past week, I have talked to a few local dealers; Cub Cadet, Toro, and Gravley/Ariens. I got an email from them today that they will be selling at 20% off. I especially like the price around $4300. Hi Jeff, There are NO ZTrs under $4000 that will handle that steep of slope. I love the battery idea, just wondering about battery life. Any suggestions? They didnt have the optional step and grab bar, but I was able to get on and off by stepping on the deck and using the hand support in front of the left armrest to balance. Hi Jim, Instead of waiting for a sale you can always ask the dealer to waive the setup and/or delivery fees. We are looking for something with good construction and good cut with reasonable price point. 1. Im always partial to the Exmark though many contractors also like the Scag. Paul, I need to buy my first ZTR. 2. IronForged Deck 26 HP Commercial V-Twin Gas Dual Hydrostatic Zero Turn Riding Mower $5999 Husqvarna MZ61 24-HP V-Twin Hydrostatic 61-in Zero-Turn Lawn Mower $5499 Ariens Apex 23-HP V-twin Dual Hydrostatic 48-in Zero-Turn Lawn Mower $4799 Bad Boy MZ Magnum 54 in. Gator Blades the mulching blades with the teeth on the back will just shred the grass and leave little puff balls all over your yard if you try to side discharge with them. My yard is just over an acre, 95% flat with a small ditch in the front. Unless you have a local dealer that will treat you well Id stay away from them. Fab 22.5 HP V-Twin Gas Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Speed, Agri-Fab 44 in. Want to do most maintenance myself, easy blade change etc. There are no other differences. It has strong transmissions that will last and is one of the best residential mowers for cutting taller grass. The 375 gives me the R package, a 54 deck, and the 25 HP ELS engine. Thanks Paul. Hi Paul, really enjoyed reading the article and comments I feel so much more informed now. My Deere 212 lasted me 25 years and I would like to get the same from this machine. Of course, Im always partial to Exmark. In my area, Home Depot is still showing delivery April 30. It was the kubota z421kw (54/60 inch) with the kawasaki engines. Believe it or not, I didnt have to replace the blade belt but about two years ago. That said. (The equivalent Toro without the MyRide is $3699 50 TimeCutter MX5050 Model 74774.). Zero turn mower for tight spaces. More recently, he has been showing up with a Scag zero turn, with a slightly larger deck. Many thanks to you and for your website! The deck sticks out farther to the left on this one and with the larger 20-inch rear tires its great for trimming. Hi Jack, for that much lawn I suggest a high-end residential or entry-level commercial mower. The Kawasaki I believe is the lower end residential mower engine and Kohler is the introduction lower end Commercial engine. I would expect both would hold up well for my use. Commercial ZTRs 60 inches or wider are also rated for 15 degrees but because of the weight, a few can run on 20-degree slopes. Skaggs has a good blade change system, for no lift style. Thanks Paul. You will find it on entry level commercial mowers where the price is the most important feature. If you're working on delicate property, these mowers may not suit your needs. Hi Randy, All have the EZT2200 axles. They finally realized that their real mission was to make the best mowers for fewer people instead of making mowers for the masses. Q: Is Kohler EFI engine a reliable engine? (About $400 to replace) Im very nervous about recommending the Hustler Dash. My first choice is the Toro Model 75742. I would check the belt you are using as a replacement. The equivalent Bab Boy is the 60 Inch. Disappointed that the Toro no longer is available with the Kawasaki engine. Its been a great cart. A cheaper belt is a cheaper belt. Hi..I am looking for the best battery (about 1.5 acres) riding mower with a steering wheel, that will bag, about 38 in, power steering, dont have to change the blade when I am mulching or cutting (bagging).Thank you. Kohler, Cub Cadet, LCT, Yamaha, and Toro all have newer, more fuel-efficient designs. Im going to suggest the Ariens IKON XL 42 in. Lastly, $3.5K $5.5K or thereabouts would be presentable to the Queen Beejust sayin. I imagine itll see approximately 1 hour of use a week during the mowing season. I want to try a ZTR mainly because I feel like Im wrestling the steering wheel constantly and I have to back up and pull forward too much at the corners of the yard. We have been in touch over the past few years. Bigger wheels- 22 inches in rear, 12 in front. It will last you years. Now I just need to decide if Im willing to swallow that $1300 price difference for the Walker over the Clipper! They will also mow that taller pasture with the mulch plate installed if you lift the deck up as high as it can go. I looked at the Toro Time Cutter 54 with my ride and decided for $200 more to get the 60 without MyRide as it has a beefier trans and larger wheels in front. Just not sure I need that much but also dont want to deal with issues after I buy it!! Ryobi 75AH Less maintenance for upkeeping but couldnt find anything along with reliability, cut/bag/mulch, and they only sale at home depot (heard you should stay clear from big box stores for equipment). I like some of the stuff on the zt1, like the larger tires, the lights, my kids really like the looks of it, (they say it reminds them of bumblebee from the transformers movies), but Ive been reading about owners having problems with deck vibrations, so Im leery about getting it. This particular Bad Boy ZTR has a 725 cc Kohler engine with an integrated drive system. The Radius E is the entry-level commercial Exmark. Comes down to maybe the paint color. I understand your frustration with power sports engines. I had no idea where to start looking, but thanks to you Im on top of it now. Hi Rob, My first choice is the Ariens IKON XL at Home Depot. I was looking at the exmark radius 48 but they dont offer the kawasaki engine with them, do you know anything about those engines that exmark is using in their radius mowers. I suggest using the Cub Cadet blades until Oregon comes out with a set for the Ultima decks. It has ZT3100 commercial trannys. Appreciate the input. It cuts very well and its biggest feature for you is you can get an optional powered bagger. 1. For example, I like my local Toro Dealer a lot. Yes they are expensive, but then I dont have the maintenance and cost to run. The FasTrac is more in line with the mowers we are discussing here though. Its well worth the extra money. And I have a good mower shop just a mile away that is not a dealer, they will service whatever you bring. Both are good engines. They own the Huskee brand name. It has larger rear wheels than the Toro or Cub Cadet and that gives it better traction. Need some advice. Whats your take for a small zero turn for my under 1/2 acre yard? Walker Model R (local dealer) Plus I just really like it over anything else under $3000. Im looking to get something from Home Depot because I have A LOT of gift cards saved up. Hi Paul, Ok, thank you for the clarification. Lay on the ground on the non-discharge side of the mower. The Model R is a culmination of over 40 years of commercial experience. Leaning towards the 42 that you specified above with the forged deck and smart speed. I never recommend paying extra for the Kawasaki name. Universal Suspension SEAT KIT for Lawn Mowers. Exmark radius E series 48 A secret mowing steeper slopes. Thank you very much! Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Hi Laurrelle, The Walker is one of the best for hills. Husqvarna Lawn Garden Tractors | 11 New Improved Models! Which would you recommend? I can spilt and mow separate days if need be. Hi Jonathan, Both are great machines and you wont mind the 50-52 inch decks once you get used to them. The Ariens IKON XL 42 comes to mind. Finally, I am a little concerned that your local dealer cant get a CA compliant mower. When Kawasaki first introduced their engines in the mid-90s you could buy one $300 cheaper than the competitors. Local Husqvarna/Stihl/Toro dealer went with a sit-down ZTR Joe, that is a... 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