There's something to be said for finding how finding out how good you are at living with other people, and finding respect for yourself. The training was tough, brutal at times, yet many of those who came through remember HMS Ganges, at Shotley Gate, with a certain fondness. 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Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! 10/01/36- 08/02/36 HMS Pembroke. The association said it had about 3,000 members and at the time of the offences its income from membership fees was about 30,000 a year. The Cattlemarket area of Ipswich would be busy at weekends with boys in full naval uniform. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . Some boys failed the initial inspection which only lengthen their time in the freezing conditions. An appeal by Woolverstone Parish Council was turned down two years later. October, new Shore Establishment created and commissioned as Royal Navy Training Establishment, Shotley. A planning application for the site was submitted and outline permission was granted in 2015. Find BBC News: East of England on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Sadists most of them and that's from a 15 year old who was in a council care home before he joined, streetwise to fcuk and kept my head down. The showers usually took place at the crack of dawn, summer or winter we ran from the barrack towel around our waist to the showers. The rest of the class were not pleased to suffer because of one boys stupidity and sometimes made a cruel point of letting the culprit know. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were. contact the editor here. According to the HMS Ganges Museum, her timbers were used to make objects including a grand staircase on an estate, and a cocktail bar in a small hotel, both in Devon. The pipe (whistle) was used aboard ship for passing orders and instructions. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). Sailors' uniforms were a familiar sight in our area until HMS Ganges closed in June 1976. "Boys came into Ganges at age 15 and went into the navy as men at 16. HMS Ganges is a little bit different though, because they have to get the spine road in first and do some prep work. One lad, a Geordie, was drafted early to a Destroyer bound for the Mediterraniann sailed from Plymouth He was washed overboard on his first few hours at sea..His parents never knew of the misery he suffered at Ganges. Nevertheless, as bad and as cruel as I have describe Ganges, I remain proud to call myself a Ganges Boy. Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN (Image: Archant). You are using an out of date browser. CEM1 Served from 1972 - 1978 Served in HMS Ganges. At Gagnes they spent 12 months training, and they learned everything you need to do to run a ship. I knew that once the weather was respectable, when it was no longer dangerous, my skinny little skeleton would be transported, step by trembling step, up that perilous rigging. It would seem those boy-sailors who were seconds ago shoving sausages into smiling faces, had all disappeared into that terrifying building, and by the cries belching from its belly were being eaten alive. While the training ship was originally based in Cornwall, she was moved to Harwich, and then Shotley in the 1890s, in order to be closer to a centre of population. Maybe we were unlucky with Instructors as one was Court Marshalled, discharged and sent to prison for so called abuse. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. This portion was taken from the foremast of the corvette Cordelia which was paid off . The HMS Ganges Museum previously said restorers would remove the wooden part of the mast for refurbishment off site and they would then check the condition of the steel lower mast. HP10 9TY. David Colwill. Crowds of boys from HMS Ganges would visit Ipswich when they were given a day off from the harsh naval discipline at Shotley. After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. I did climb that mast. The kindly chef asked me whether I intended to eat the mountain of food I'd heaped on my plate or climb it! HP10 9TY. But this was Ganges, we never got away with anything. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Ganges training establishment. Im here as my Son (15) wants to join the RN - Wellbeck route AIB soon. Read about our approach to external linking. The noise was excruciating. Boys were permitted to march through the streets of Ipswich with bayonets fixed. Real posh supercilious bastard. Welcome to our next documentary, investigating the decaying remains and iconic abandoned swimming pool of HMS Ganges Royal Naval training school, as well as . The next six years passed with regular naval detentions, ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth) exhausting punishments, solitary confinements, ending with a twelve month sentence in the infamous HMP Corradino, Malta. The Admiralty decided that the shore base should bear the name of the original training ship, HMS Ganges. For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. However lessons, culminating in a test, were much more difficult. It was at Shotley Point that the wooden ship HMS Ganges was berthed from 1899, and used as a cadet training ship for the Royal Navy. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. George Douglas Blake HMS Warspite. This site uses cookies. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. There was a way to bypass it for cowards like me, but God help you if you tried using it. Were you at HMS Ganges? After initial training we were marched from the training camp. 1959 and what a bugger Ganges turned out to be. The white letters would then be transformed, by our nimble fingers, into red with silk thread using the chain stitch. HMS Ganges moved moorings from Harwich to Shotley. The site was closed in 1976 and was used as a maaried quarter estate by the RAF. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained . The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. A history of the Royal Navy Training Establishment HMS Ganges. To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. We had no one to confide in, our instructors would more than likely told us not to tell tales. Free (donations towards running costs are welcome) BBC Blue Peter presenter John Noakes attempted to climb to the top of the mast. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. Yes indeed, they were the best of times and the worst of times. Posted on February 5, 2019 by irishroverpei. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Print length 264 pages Language English Publisher Second City Publishers, Penmarth, Cornwall Publication date 22 Nov. 1995 ISBN-10 090681605X ISBN-13 There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. I wrote this song a long time ago. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. I was sent to the training Ship HMS Ganges a cruel harsh 12 months lay ahead of me and thousands of other boys. This page is dedicated to the memory of Tony whose commitment to the Royal Navy and especially HMS Ganges was unlimited. He was sentenced at Portsmouth Crown Court. Download Citation | On Feb 1, 2023, Olivier Champagne and others published Future change in amplitude and timing of high-flow events in a Canadian subarctic watershed | Find, read and cite all the . ", HMS Ganges as a warship (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. Thanks again, D. R. WALTON the only O.E.M. One person found this helpful. The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. Helpful. Maurice was nothing to do with HMS Ganges, in fact he had been a crew member of HMS Hambledon. He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. Mr Jones also offered reassurance around the historic mast, despite fears about its dilapidated state. CLICK ABOVE TO OPEN GALLERY. Learn how your comment data is processed. He was an Electricians Mate Class 1 and served in, 12/03/35-09/01/36 HMS Ganges. Tony Hayden. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). The Royal Naval Training Establishment Shotley (known within the Royal Navy as HMS Ganges) was established in southern Suffolk in 1905. 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Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Ganges. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. Today lots of those instructors (JIs and Badgeboys included) would be in front of the beak for various abuses, harassment and bullying. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE, HE'S NOT HERE TODAYTHE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAYFIFTEEN YEARS OF LEARNING, HE'LL NOT GO DOWN THE MINESO WE TOOK HIM NEAR TO IPSWICH TOWNFAR FROM THE SEAMS OF THE TYNEIN A PLACE THEY STILL CALL 'GANGES' WITH TWO THOUSAND OTHER BOYSHE LEARNED TO SPLICE AND SAIL A BOATTALL ORDERS WERE HIS TOYSTHE 'BULLY BOYS' CAME NIGHTLY, DID THINGS A BOY COUNDN'T TELLBUT THEY MADE HIM WRITE IN HIS LETTERS HOME MAMMA YOU'R BOY'S DOIN WELLTHEN NEWS CAME OF SOME FIGHTING IN A FAR OFF DISTANT LANDWE NEED THOSE BOYS THUS SPAKE FOUR RINGSIN OUR BIG SHIPS THEY CAN RIDEIT'S WRITTEN ON HIS PAPERS, TWAS NOT THE DEED OF A MAN BUT A WAVE THAT TOOK MY GEORDIE BOYFIVE MILES OFF PLYMOUTH SOUNDSO NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE HE'S NOT HERE TODAY THE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAY. A Gannett Company. they said. As Rudyard Kipping wrote in his famous poem IF the you will be a man my son. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. It had to be neatly folded and stacked, each item one above the other, with each item measuring exactly nine inches wide and one inch flat. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. www.amazon.co.uk/H-m-S-Ganges-Dozen/dp/0906418003/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269273975&sr=1-1, www.navy-net.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=134/postdays=0/postorder=asc/start=0.html, www.veterans-uk.info/vets_badge/vets_badge.htm. ", The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. Realizing his mistake he fought back and with no way out he had no choice but to work his ticket. We are the largest and fastest growing community of UK forces veterans on the web with over 500,000 members! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Mr Youngman, who joined the navy aged 15 in 1965, said he had previously climbed up to the top of the mast but "couldn't wait to get back down". Dave Walton RN retired. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). The mast was erected in 1907 for boy entrant training purposes using the lower foremast (steel) from HMS Cordelia (1881) with other sections from the mizzen mast of HMS Agincourt (1865). By creating an account you agree to us emailing you with newsletters and discounts, which you can switch off in your account at any time. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. Roe told me "I don't like you." Editors' Code of Practice. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. She was the last wooden wall ship to be a flagship, and the last to sail around cape horn unassisted. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. Read about our approach to external linking. HMS Ganges (1821) This page summarises records created by this Organisation The summary includes a brief description of the collection (s) (usually including the covering dates of the. 1907. I was out of there in an instant, but never said a word to anyone, I was just happy it was over and I had qualified. These were all regular happenings at Ganges. The number of air raids at Shotley began to increase dramatically and its ratings soon had to go to the air . It was hoped that Developers Haylink Ltd would start work early this year, but their plans were scuppered by the Covid-19 pandemic. Contents 1 Foundation and early history 1.1 Allegations of abuse 2 Ganges at Harwich 3 Ganges at Shotley 3.1 1906 changes 3.2 Later developments 3.3 First World War 3.4 Post war developments 3.5 Ganges in the Second World War 3.6 Postwar and closure 4 References 5 External links Editors' Code of Practice. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. H.M.S. Work on the scheme, which would see 285 new homes, a 60-bed nursing home, a large retail space and areas for medical services, will not be started until a spine road through the site, which will take the bulk of construction traffic away from main roads, is built. So as I have said already, we kept our heads down aiming for that final day when wed be drafted to a ship. Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). Write to Dave Kindred, Kindred Spirits, Evening Star, 30 Lower Brook Street, Ipswich IP4 1AN. The Royal Navy training mast in Shotley Gate, pictured in 1936, was erected in 1907, A photograph of the base taken sometime in the 1950s (left), with recruits on the mast in 1937, with one recruit just about visible near the very top, John Youngman said his training at the site stood him in good stead for the rest of his life, Warning: Third party content may contain adverts, A pupil band from The Royal Hospital School performed at the event, It is expected to take at least a year to restore the mast at the tip of the Shotley peninsula, across the water from Felixstowe and Harwich. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to RO1 (T) Served from 1970 - 1975 Served in HMS Ganges. Standing at 143ft, the mast is made up of three main parts; the main 75ft mast came from HMS Cordelia, a steam corvette built in Portsmouth, the top mast of 47.5 ft wooden ruffle box from HMS Agincourt, which was renamed HMS Boscawen, and then Ganges II. LEADING SEAMAN Served from 1961 - 1970 Served in HMS Ganges. Coronation Day of George VI. Its really difficult to give a definitive time scale but once things get going I would imagine that progress will be very visible whereas a lot of the work going on over the past two or three years hasnt necessarily been seen by the public.. There was a seamanship officer at the boat sheds. You are using an out of date browser. There were stories of many similar violations but none ever reported. For more information, please see our Privacy Policy, Please enter a password with 6 characters or more. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's Ken Smith, who now lives in Brighton, sent me memories of arriving at HMS Ganges in the severe winter of 1963 and his fear of the dreaded mast. HMS Ganges was also known as Shotley Training Establishment . Speaking about the current state of the site, Mr Jones said: "All of the messes have been demolished, as have the laundry and the generators. Life at Ganges was recalled recently in The Evening Star when a book about the base by Alan Peck was published. Report abuse. I took a bowl and ate the lot. The test consisted of two lengths of the pool while wearing a boiler suit, then floating for five minutes. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Among his many punishments, he suffered cuts, a particularly brutal form of Naval punishment. Several tales about bullying and the harsh regime generally, not so much about the famous and frequent official canings. Our kit was stowed in small silver lockers that we polished daily, but not like any normal person would stow their clothes. I was so fearful of that oncoming event I was becoming a nervous wreck, each night reading the next day's daily orders, wondering if tomorrow would be the day I crapped my pants in public. 2023 BBC. Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. Name Hetzner Online GmbH - Contact Role. They say you never forget the place and I agree. HMS Ganges in Shotley Gate, Suffolk, was a land-based training centre for recruits between 1905 and 1976. H.M.S. Down the road we proudly thundered, the first time any of us had seen the outside words since the day of our arrival. From the top of the mast, its a long way to come ! "The rest of the buildings, including Nelsons Hall and the swimming pool will be converted into flats, shops and a sports centre. Abuse Details. [1] My heart sank and my elation evaporated as I desperately tried to quash all fears of my body falling from the Devil's Elbow. No way would the Royal Navy let the opportunity to instill fear into a young boy pass them by, So began another nine months of laughter and tears, disaster and joy. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. 1905. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. "We're hoping that we can get some of the money back from him, but we don't know if that's going to be possible.". I had thought that our group were the only sailors, if we dared call ourselves that, in this annexe, but I was soon to discover there was a continuous rotation of faces, each at various stages of initiation, a small factory taking in baby civilians at one end and throwing out almost sailors into the real HMS Ganges at the other. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. Commander was Trick and a good egg. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and signed on for 12 years. He went on to be an SD subby. Early in 1940 Admiralty decided to close Ganges as a Boys Training Establishment and in April it became a Hostilities Only Training Establishment. 1906. 4 reviews When Peter Broadbent entered HMS Ganges, the toughest training establishment for young recruits to the Royal Navy, he was a naive 15-year-old Yorkshire schoolboy, entranced with the idea of seeing the world, proud of his drainpipe trousers and DA hairstyle, and eager to meet girls. In 1907, its famous training mast was erected on the parade ground. joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. The 142-foot high (43 m) mast was erected in 1907. It was as we crossed the parade ground the whole bunch of us suddenly froze and spun to face a huge aircraft-hanger-of-a-building running along its length. A historic Grade II listed former Royal Navy training mast has been taken down ahead of restoration work. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. Saw your message. July 5 The old HMS Ganges sails out of Harwich Harbour. (LogOut/ HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. From the annexe, I had sometimes seen it, partly hidden by snowy skies as it towered above the buildings, and it looked frightening then, but now, marching beneath its cobweb rigging, it looked truly awesome. Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Some boys were home sick, some just tried to stay out of trouble, one or two ran away. Thus was the nature of Ganges harsh training regime. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. Each time I let it go off it popped, falling to the deck with a clatter. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. I knew a gentleman who said when he was at Ganges in 1947 he had his first taste of hot food. ", The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT (Image: Archant). The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Offenders, known in the Navy as "defaulters", were mustered every morning and went before the Captain for a formal hearing, where they could be "awarded" up to 12 "cuts" -- very hard strokes of However, for most of us boys, qualifying meant we could wear the Bosuns chain with our uniform instead of a lanyard. Im quite sure few if any boys receiving cuts ever thought to run away again. Developers Wavensmere Homes and Galliard Homes plan to build almost 300 homes on the site and include a restored mast in the development. 'Letters back to front, remember!' The greatest fear was of messing up, this meant the whole class was punished. Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. 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